Hey sevenbate,..did you always want to please your parents,..well if you did cool if you didn't I'm sorry,..i don't feel  guilted into anything with God. I've been listening to George Carlin too much since his passing,..he wasn't really a happy guy either.  But hey he didn't have  good father  and by the time he was 10 his dad was dead. With God it's a family thing ,..ya know? He wants us all in his family and is sad we aren't.

I agree with you Chase on this : Our society begins to place the responsibility into the new Gods, which are advertising companies and other companies which we look at to produce our miracles.  It's not a fault of theirs, or wholly ours either.  It's a joint effort that needs to be cautioned against.

Spin doctors that  have people believing all kinds of  outrageous stuff. Sorry i don't  buy anything a mere moral man tels me,..he's  fallible.

 Mystrish i can't agree with the first part of this statement:People pay too much time to excusing their behavior and repenting in church on Sundays and not enough time owning up to their wrongs.

I suspect we spend less time in church these days period. I think the bible does state you should own up  to your mistakes. sin (an archery term describing, missing the mar)  You should repent sure,.but try not to do the thing you did to  ask for repentance,..other wise, you never learn a lesson,.it's not about God  knowing, it's about you  knowing yourself through God's help;)

God's in my life every day, every day I pray, everyday when i eat every meal i thank him for providing for my meal,..hey,  he doesn't have to,..he's God, but he's kind and gracious enough to do so.

Annie, that is the reason for the topic.  Humans need to start figuring it out for themselves and not depend on a God, or Ad to make the decisions.  People pay too much time to excusing their behavior and repenting in church on Sundays and not enough time owning up to their wrongs.  God is in their lives one day out of the week.  There is no one to answer to but themselves the other six days lol. 

Annie, you mean "Humans are RETARDED"  

This topic sucks, utterly sucks, not that its not important, because it is important because both sides effect our lives. I'm not a religious person but i have read the bible and i know what it says about being good. The bible hold some nice life lessons and experience. Now the thing is different people think different things are good then other people. NO MATTER if you are religious or not. So who makes the rules on whats good or not? Who decided what is good for us and whats not? Who really has that experience. GOD not humans, humans can not and NEVER been able to rule themselves, ever. This world is shit and there is many shit people. HUMANS ARE RETARTED. They cant do anything right, humans are very unbalanced.

I have to say to, in response to sevenbates, there is also a push to dissociate anything good with Christian teachings.  People forget that just because it says something in the bible doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be considered.  Some of the good things just made their way in and then it was "God said" rather than "It doesn't really matter if it was divine or not, this is a good idea". 

But I think a problem we're running into is this:  We are making progress in trying to distinguish that which can be influenced by our own self-control, will power, and other physical and psychological tools which we all possess,  from that which is so purely biological that no amount of will power alone will allow us past it.  That is, in the case of behavioral patterns.  But in the process of making these distinctions, we have started to dissolve, in people's minds, their ability to affect their own lives.  Our society begins to place the responsibility into the new Gods, which are advertising companies and other companies which we look at to produce our miracles.  It's not a fault of theirs, or wholly ours either.  It's a joint effort that needs to be cautioned against. 

Beautiful!

The problem is, we're surrounded by evangelicals who can't be moral without the fear of punishment in hell. Sure, there are a lot of good Christians out there, but unfortunately, their parallel fantasy universe is laced with dogma that reinforces "morality or else", as opposed to "be good because its good".