" DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP"  Legally I think is mainly what is wanted,..anyone can be married if you believe it,.why would you care if  anyone else  thought you were or not.. I think what is really wanted is to be like everyone else and I'm sorry they aren't like a married man and woman why, be cause it's two of the same sex. Thus it's not like the typical married people. It will always be something.. Like,..what you don't accept that I'm married?  Who care what anyone else thinks  if you believe ,.hmm it must be so huh? Marriage is devotion to one person,..unless of course you live in Utah and you are a polygamist.   If you bequeath your feelings to your partner,.who cares what the government states or sights. This tells you how little we have in our lives and you might say well it's important to me , and I'd say I'm sure it is, But there is more to life than  fighting over this issue there is  life it's self to lead. That's the long and short of it .

My personal belief is not in this,.What God says in MY  life,..i said MY life,.not someone that is Gay I'm not going to be married to.  God will deal with the just and unjust alike.

Perhaps this is off the subject a bit but wanted to say it for a while.

there are stereo types in all people yes there are blacks that love fried chicken and watermelon. (you can  check Petey green out on youtube,..google Petey green and watermelon) that's not being derogatory,..just as  there are some  Irish men like to hoist  some ale. etc. I think the  stereotype (with Gay people is the  ahem exception  and not the rule) :

Generally there is  a butch one and a  feminine one,..thus mimicking  a man and woman,  this is just by and large by  observation. I know some will take offense to this but it's true.  Just as it's true with "some" people that are Gay that they struggle with being gay and came to terms with it (acceptance - out of the closet),..always feeling that they are different than straight people.  They finally accept it and  become and advocate with a  very vocal manner. (like and ex smoker yelling at everyone that smokes) But it seems (speculation on my part) that the more they scream their cause ,..they are angry because they some how they feel they are not like everyone else. Thus they aren't. Some will always feel this anger and will manifest it against straight people because they want to be treated equal.  Even if the populace treated them the same as everyone else they look at themselves saying,.I'm different and i just want to belong with everyone else. Thus once again angry seethes. I can't do anything to change that,. that's something they themselves will have to work through.  But I feel as though as I go through my life I should be brutalized because that person is angry that they can't be like everyone else.  So you see it will,..always be something with that type of person,.the stereo typical person, if you will .

I'm kinda wondering  how people will take my blog  on the angry child molester (up north and had stayed here in Kern County) story I'm be posting soon.

I get what you're saying, Joe. Thank you for your comments. I appreciate how you've tried to stay the least judgmental as possible while still trying to get your point accross. Or, I'm sorry. I mean God's point accross.

from my friend daydreamer:

So, have any of you heard about this Christian group called Focus on the Family? Here's the link in case you are brave enough to go visit their site: http://www.focusonthefamily...

Somehow, I got on their mailing list and several months ago started receiving their propaganda in the mail. (I'm sorry but that's what it is). At first I just threw it away and ignored it but then one day I noticed that the mail they sent me was about Prop 8 and how I should vote yes on Prop 8 to save the "traditions of Marriage and Family". It was filled with wrong information and get this, it wasn't even based in California. Wow! So, I e-mailed Focus on the Family and asked them to remove me from their mailing list as I did not support their beliefs and was not interested in receiving their propaganda. The e-mail I got back was a very Holier-than-thou statement about how great they were, how I should take the time to investigate their beliefs, (OH I DID! That's why I asked to be removed from their mailing list), and then a few quotes from the bible, I guess to save my poor misguided soul. But I was told that I would no longer receive their mail.


Apparently those Christians don't follow the same commandments they preach about lying because did I stop receiving their mail? Let's just say no. A few weeks before the election, I received a letter from the founder and leader (of hate) Dr. James Dobson. He wanted to inform me that our country was in great threat of being destroyed by Barack Hussein Obama and he was here to enlighten me about why I should vote for John McCain. Basically the only reason he could give, other than spin on the truth, was that McCain was Pro-Life and Obama was all for killing babies. I was infuriated. Not just about his personal view points, which I very much disagree with but that here is this religious movement, getting their nose all up in politics and trying to dictate the way the election should go based on what? Their own Christian beliefs. I can't take this shit anymore, people. I really can't. So, I wrote them a letter.
It went like this:

Dear Focus on the Family and Dr.
James Dobson,

I have already asked to be removed from your mailing list. I do not support your beliefs and I have no desire to read your propaganda. (listed my address) please remove that address from your system so that I stop receiving your mail.


I have a very hard time swallowing your desire to infuse your religious beliefs into our country's political climate. This country was founded on the principle of Seperation of Church and State- we all have the right to believe whichever religion we choose or the right to no religion at all- your desire to alter the course of our political election by instilling your Christian doctrine into law and calling on the people who share your beliefs to vote for a person who you feel can further your christian beliefs through the government is unlawful-stick to reaching out in your communties through the word of Jesus with love and understanding of all people, not through politics.


The Seperation of Church and State is not only there to protect people from the dangers of running a country based on one set of rules forced by religion but it is there to protect the churches of all different religions so that the government can not take away your rights. The day that the Christain churches of this country allow the Federal and State law to dictate what you teach in your churches, what programs you are allowed in your churches, and how to run your churches, than I will be more willing to listen to you try to instill your christian doctrine into Federal and State law.


Thank you for removing me from your mailing list,

Amber blah-blah blah

Is this going to change anything? No. Is this going to stop these people? No.
Do I feel better? HELL TO THE YES!!

After doing some more research, I found out that Focus on the Family has pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and in the process had to lay off hundreds of their workers.
Talk about family values, right?

I'm going to write them another letter about this. Let's just say that they are going to be hearing from me quite a bit. They are going to be my new hobby and man oh man are they ever going to wish I had never gotten on their mailing list.


If you are at all interested in writing to them to tell them how much they suck for supporting and funding hate and discrimination against homosexuals, you can write to them at: Focus on the Family Action 8655 Explorer Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80920

P.S. I'm going to mention that I hope they are teaching their followers to stone their children when their children don't follow their faith and to kill any of their followers who eat shellfish because that's what the bible says we should do. And if you are going to use the bible to support the reason you oppose gay marriage than you had better support EVERYTHING the bible says. Otherwise, you are just picking and choosing the words of God for your own benefit.


 

here is the thing about focus on the family and everyone else that's an organization,..they aren't the individual and I was speaking what Christ says in the bible,.with out my judgment or my twist. just what it says.  It's not my place to judge, I've used logic and reasoning  to decide what is best for me,.and me alone, I can't say what is right for you, take that up with your God.  As I said,..As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. But you might also consider it was a Christian base that started this country and based laws on the biblical principles,.ahem In God we trust.  It always for all to choose what is best for them but also reminding everyone if you Choose, there is someone that died for you .  My choose is not a judgment. It's my choice. I say you have the freedom to do what you wish even though I don't agree or believe in it. 

By the way,.i rather quote the bible than Focus on the family, or anyone else. We are individuals and God speaks to us  and guides us all in our own way.

If you are at all interested in writing to them to tell them how much they suck for supporting and funding hate and discrimination against homosexuals, you can write to them at: Focus on the Family Action 8655 Explorer Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80920

isn't this a bit juvenile? it's kind like two children sitting at the table one slaps the other and that one slaps them,..does it not end? who is the bigger person and you are encouraging people to harass them as yous aid you were harassed, the  solution might be that you find the person that put you on their mailing list.

P.S. I'm going to mention that I hope they are teaching their followers to stone their children when their children don't follow their faith and to kill any of their followers who eat shellfish because that's what the bible says we should do. And if you are going to use the bible to support the reason you oppose gay marriage than you had better support EVERYTHING the bible says. Otherwise, you are just picking and choosing the words of God for your own benefit.

 There is a new testament that i spoke of,. Did i mention Christ  and stoning earlier,?  that was from the NEW testament the testament of Jesus.  He doesn't advocate stoning,.but loving.. Did you know he spoke more on loving your brother  more than any other subject/ He even said that if you have words with your brother you should go settle it right then,(to avoid a root of bitterness against them)..and he also mentions  how many times that you should forgive your brother or sister when they wrong or hurt you,..not 3 times or 7 times,.but 7 times 70!  he was more into passive resistance than Gandhi or anyone else. MLK Jr.  took pointers from him in the whole civil right movement. Through only love can we conquer hate.

So in essence you are saying hate Christan's because they are  judgmental and love gays simply because it's OK for the same sex to sleep together? Because if  you say any different you will have to recalculate everything you just said.  I say love both and not care about their faults what ever they might be.

Well, Twink, dragging on the armor here.... truly, you are right... God does not differenciate between sins.  To him, lying is the same as rape, as murder, as stealing 5 cents...

In the bible it also says "abide by the laws of the land".  This means, speeding... arson, breaking and entering, you name any law and we're supposed to abide by that.  So is speeding sinning?  If we're told to abide by the law of the land... and we don't, are we just breaking the laws of man?  Or of God?  Are sinning?

Live and let live will never work in this world.  Because someone will always be doing something someone else thinks is wrong.  We can think it's wrong, just on our own personal beliefs, or we can also think it's a sin.

Yes, if you read and believe in the Bible, homosexuality is a sin and it's wrong.  If you're fornicating, that is wrong and a sin.  If you're lying, cheating or stealing, it's wrong and a sin. 

I think that being gay is just wrong and against nature.  You don't see two same sex people or animals having babies together, hence, it's against nature, in my opinion.  I also know being gay is a sin, but I myself sin, we all do, and one sin isn't any worse than another, to God, so I am just as guilty as gays are of sinning.  I TRY not to, but none of us is perfect.

There are people out there, without religion as a reason, that think being gay is wrong.  Just like they think stealing is wrong, that rape is wrong, arson is wrong... it's just wrong to them.  Without dragging God into it.

The problem is that we want to keep God OUT of our business until someone is sick, someone dies, someone is hurt, an act of terrorism comes to haunt our country...then they want to believe in Him and call him to save us, help us and heal us.  God is not a toy on a shelf... you can't just take him down and play with him when you want.  

And in response to the above message, "before Gays were discriminated against Christians were and still are.  And Christians are no different than anyone else..."  Well, Christians ARE different...they're trying to live the right life, they're not perfect, church isn't for the perfect, it's to save the sinners.  They are only forgiven.  The only perfect man on earth was killed for it, tortured and mocked, spat upon and reviled... and he wasn't gay.

And those comments are how the world came to be the crappy place it is today, with less and less morals.  Because people have the "if they're not doing it to me, it's ok" mentality.

You think it has nothing to do with being gay, but it does.  First, the "moral majority" was against it, and many other things that are wrong... the more "modern" we've become, the more "ok" it is to "do what feels good" and pretty soon, people just don't want to be bothered with morals...until they require them.

I'm sure that someone who's child has been molested is not enrolled in the school of "if it feels good do it".  How long are we going to just continue to roll with this phrase? 

People don't have to hate gays, anyway... or any other sinners, which would be ALL OF US.  The bible also teaches to hate the sin and not the sinner.  I hate when people cheat, when they are doing things to hurt other people, when they lie and deceive people to get their way... but it's not ok to physically harm anyone.

I'm totally against the gay lifestyle, yes, I voted for Prop 8... but I also think it's WRONG to hurt ANY of them because they're gay.  It's not for us to take our anger out on them, to hurt them, or any other sinner, in any way, unless they're receiving the death penalty for a crime.  We can hate what they do... everyone hates something that other people do, but you cannot just take matters into your own hands and harm any of them.

Most people do NOT "live and let live".  How many of you out there REALLY TRULY live by that?  YOu never comment or make disparaging remarks about a co worker who does something you don't like?  Or  a family member that you don't like?  Or kids that are mean to YOUR kids?  Women that make a pass at your man, or a man making a pass at your woman?  Sports... there's a good one to live and let live and the most famous of all time... POLITICS< I didn't see anyone "living and letting live" during election times... it was a free for all on this site with people calling each other names, saying they were stupid... and all manner of things.  Why?  Because someone dared to have their own opinion and stand up for it.

So, no, live and let live will never work

Thank you for at least agreeing with my main point, devilwoman. I know that you and I don't agree on this subject but at least you're able to see the point I was trying to make without taking away from your own personal belief! 

No, Twink, we do not see eye to eye on some things, but at least we can disagree respectfully and not call each other names and tell each other that we're stupid.

I've disagreed with many things on the site, seen some outright lies being spoken for truths and people lying and being very deceiving to keep up some "image" they think they have... when someone knows the truth about who you ARE.. kind of lets the steam out of their arguments...

Showing people respect, even when they disagree with you, doesn't take anything away from your own point of view, it just means you can be respectful that someone else has a different one.  I wish more people would do that....

Wait...there really are people that are into The Hard Rock Cafe?

hahah Tanner... I take it you clicked on the link? LOL   http://www.blogography.com/

I think that the Hard Rock is a GREAT excuse to travel throughout the world, don't you? Personally I'd base my traveling on strip clubs or  a band or something. But the Hard Rock has strippers (not working there, hanging out there) and live bands so hey.. that might kill two birds with one stone.

Seriously though. When Mr. and Mrs. Twinkie retire, we're planning on travelling the world to go watch a baseball game in EVERY SINGLE STADIUM in America. We'll also probably golf in those cities while we're at it.

in other news... (again on the Focus on the Family group who by the way is an OUT OF STATE group that majorly helped fund the YES on 8 campaign.)

http://coloradoindependent....

Focus on the Family is poised to announce major layoffs to its Colorado Springs-based ministry and media empire today. The cutbacks come just weeks after the group pumped more than half a million dollars into the successful effort to pass a gay-marriage ban in California.



Critics are holding up the layoffs, which come just two months after the organization’s last round of dismissals, as a sad commentary on the true priorities of the ministry.

“If I were their membership I would be appalled,” said Mark Lewis, a longtime Colorado Springs activist who helped organize a Proposition 8 protest in Colorado Springs on Saturday. “That [Focus on the Family] would spend any money on anything that’s obviously going to get blocked in the courts is just sad. [Prop. 8] is guaranteed to lose, in the long run it doesn’t have a chance — it’s just a waste of money.
”

In all, Focus pumped $539,000 in cash and another $83,000 worth of non-monetary support into the measure to overturn a California Supreme Court ruling that allowed gays and lesbians to marry in that state. The group was the seventh-largest donor to the effort in the country. The cash contributions are equal to the salaries of 19 Coloradans earning the 2008 per capita income of $29,133.


Ok, so why I am soooo obsessed over this group now? Well, because like I've tried to say here and other blogs, there is absolutely NO secular reason to have voted YES on 8. "Religious"? "Spiritual"? "Moral"? YES. "Secular"? NO!
 

James Dobson and FOF will always take on anything they see as a threat to marriage and the family, as described in the Bible.  That is what they do, promote Christianity and family...being one man, one woman and their kids.  As long as there is a threat to what he believes in, no matter what state it is in, he will be there to fight it.

Personally, since I hold many of the same beliefs that he does, I applaud his dedication to protecting what he believes in.  He's willing to do whatever it takes to fight for his beliefs, regardless of the odds of success. 

As for the layoffs, as I am not personally involved and have no knowledge of it, I am just guessing that it was discussed among the employees and they knew it would be coming if they just dumped all their assets to fight for Prop 8, when he gets money back, I'm sure from donations across the country, he'll hire them back.  I'm not saying this positively, just that I think that is what is happening.

That is my opinion.... and you know what they say about opinions... :)

From a Christian's standpoint, I see what you're saying and I guess it sorta does make sense. But from a mom of four kids with bills to pay standpoint... WHAT THE HELL WAS HE THI NKING? LOL 

 I totally agree, Twink. Gay marriage doesn't compromise those who are married, will be married, or even the concept of marriage.

going back to blogography for a second... another reason I love that blog is because everytime you go in there or click on "refresh" a new animated dave pops up. My favorite is the "Ugly Betty in the Guadalajara Poncho" Dave. Cracks me up. That guy has some talent! tee hee!!!

Right now he's got a great blog about Fox News and their "fair and balanced" news ... tee hee. My favorite part is his "Daveguard Internet Protection System" which you can check out by clicking HERE