Shaneastafford: "I know the real pandemic is liberalism (socialism) which is a disease spread across the world."
I got to hand it to you right-wingers, you have been well trained the to pull out the big bad S-word whenever an issue comes up. It hearkens back to the good old days of McCarthyism, when no one would dare utter the S-word or the C-word. Not like today when all our rights are apparently being trampled on.
"Socialism = tyranny and oppression and if you look at all the socialist countries like England, Russia, Indonesia, China and India the only reason why their economy has picked up in the last decade is solely due to the capitalistic Americans."
Of course, America always should get the credit when something goes right in the world. Interesting countries you've labeled with the S-word. China's a given. Russia I'll understand. England and Indonesia? Well, I suppose if we're apparently already on the path to S-word-ism, those two countries are oozing with it. But India? They're almost more capitalistic than we are. I guess that's why the majority of the population lives in such great conditions.
"This new administration created their own rules and wrote their own constitution over night! What is happening now with this administration is unconstitutional and our military should cease them for treason but out generals are just as corrupt as our politicians."
Guards! Seize them! Seize the traitors! So what I'm seeing here is that our constitution is no longer valid and there is a totally new one? When did this happen? I understand. We in California are used to changing our constitution whenever the feeling strikes us to make sure that only particular people can have certain things, but I haven't seen this happen to the US constitution. Are we living in the same country?
"Guns will soon be banned by our socialist congress by taxing our guns and ammo too much or by ripping up our constitution. U.S. citizens are buying up all the guns and ammo at this point because all the smart people see what is coming in the near future. "
Yes. Whenever things go wrong, we should do what the paranoid do. There's that S-word again. Just fill me in on something. What rights are being taken away? I haven't seen it. I certainly still enjoy the same rights I've had for a long time. And Obama hasn't said a peep about guns. Where the fuck are you people getting this?
Muzicdoctor: "What's even more absurd now, is all of the responsibility lay at the current administrations door, & these self righteous individuals are now making this administration the scapegoat is if they created, instead of the greedy, capitalistic corporations that screwed this country up, with the help of the indifferent, & gullible people that allowed it to get out of control."
Yes. I do agree the president is simultaneously the idol and the scapegoat. We look to him to set things right. We give him credit when things go right, no matter how it happened. And when things go wrong, we transfer all our sins into him and push him off a cliff. Some people seem all too eager to do so even when the president has spent so little time in office.
Shaneastaford: "I think Muzikdoctr is uneducated in historical events due to his upbringing in public school and his fascination to main stream media."
So I guess we agree that America's education system is shitty and we need to do something about it.
"The public school system is controlled by the federal department of education which is controlled by burecrats."
Okay. Who do you propose to control the public school system? A private company? Sure, that way only people who benefit the most from capitalism can afford to go to school. 'Sorry, Billy. Mommy can't spend much time with you. She has to work 3 jobs so she can feed you, cloth you, and make sure you can see a doctor every once in a while. But I can't afford to send you to school. That's okay. If you're lucky enough to get a job when you grow up despite your illiteracy and lack of education, at least you'll find comfort that you'll get to keep your entire minimum wage salary."
Alright so Muzikdoctr and Robshock are true socialist supporters and I understand that now. I would like to know from both of you what socialism means and what socialism would do for the United States of America?
OMG you said the S-word! All I know is for some reason right-wingers seem to want to make the government and the people two separate entities, even though we're meant to be one and the same (by the people, for the people). We're all in this together, and I believe our gov should be charged to solve the problems in our society that effect us all.Shaneastafford: "I do not support [Obama] because he lied through his teeth and he is telling corporations like GM what to do and how to run their business. "
It's called a stipulation. They want our money, this is what they got to do to get it. You want us to give them our money with no stipulation?
"The government has no say in making decisions for the businesses of America. I don't care even if corporations allow themselves to be bought out with tax payer dollars this kind of stuff is unconstitutional."
Show me where it's unconstitutional. But I will say that the auto industry bailout is one thing I disagree with. I know GM is a big corporation, but it's not big like AIG where our entire economy depends on it. So I think Obama should just let that one be.
"Now our government owns GM. "
It just gets weirder and weirder.
"This administration is so corrupt that they will not disclose where all the stimulus money is going and why would I want to spend my taxes on left wing extremist groups like ACORN. "
Where the hell do you get this stuff?
"The only transparency we have in America is the conservative media and this is why I cling on to this media."
Ah, I see now.
Acosper: "Let's settle this debate. I am an actual socialist, though I prefer to think of myself as a Marxist (socialism is such a wishy-washy term). As a godless commie, I can tell you that Obama is not one of us. I wish that he were a secret Marxist. I really do. Unfortunately, Obama is way too supportive of capitalist powers."
AnnieLWhite: "Rob Shock, I think when you talk about Limbaugh and Riley, you are talking to a specific "right wing" group. more of the religious right wingers. cause not all right wingers believe in the war & god, i think you are referring to Neo-Cons. not real Conservatives. if you are trying to ofend me, youre gonna have to dig deeper. cause thats not me. "
Annie, that's sweet. You thought I did this all for you. Well, maybe a personal love letter is in the works, but not this time. Oh, and this has nothing to do with religion.
HairyBikini: [Love your screen name!"Capitalism is not the problem, extreme intervention is. If Capitalism was allowed to be truly free, it would have a higher success rate, but because of Government they will never allow anybody to fail, but instead they will be there to pick up all the failures, and this is whats leading to the failure of Capitalism, not the idea.Capitalism needs less government intervention to succeed. "
You see, the problem is every time capitalism is allowed to have free reign, something gets fucked up, like a depression, and another depression, and this last recession. Government doesn't have regulation because they think it's the fun thing to do. It happens when something really bad happens and someone has to step in and make sure it doesn't happen again. Like this last thing. We let certain companies get so big that our entire economy depended on their successes, and when they started doing things they shouldn't have been allowed to do and nearly collapsed on themselves, almost taking the entire economy with them, we had no choice but to bail them out. It was, at best, the least expensive option we had.
Yes, I would love that the US were a country where the monarchy controlled most of the wealth, the rest went to foreign companies, and very little went to the citizens.
Muzikdoctr: "Hey Rob, I'm glad you bring up valid points. We need to hear different views to see what has merit under the scrutiny of others views. Even though I know, eventually we'll disagree about something, I'm glad you bring valid opinions to the table, & we should be able to discuss things in a constructive way."
Thanks. Maybe someday I can discuss as constructively as you do.
Acosper: "Be careful RobShock, saying that "We need to spend, but spend wisely on things that will actually make this place work for the benefit of our people, not for the benefit of rich corporations and special interests." Sounds like something a socialist would say. You are officially in danger of becoming an accidental marxist."
Touche.Shaneastafford: "There is enough evidence that our new administration is liberal, socialist trash who do not care about our constitution and our civil rights. Sure this administration did not rip up our constitution right in front of us but they are tearing it apart, piece by piece. The past 3 administrations have done much harm to our civil liberties and the Patriot Act was a big one. "
Now, now. You're not going to get on my good side just because you criticize the policies of the Bush administration.
"Obama said during the primaries that he would shred up the Patriot Act and when he was elected he repealed it instead. "Wait a minute. You're taking issue with the fact that he didn't literally rip up the Patriot Act?
"Obama is by far the biggest liar/con artist in the history of U.S. politics but all that doesn't count because he is a socialist, Muslim who wants change in America.
You know. I would pay good money to actually see a socialist Muslim. I didn't know that could even happen.
"The Bush administration did enough damage to us in starting a never ending war and creating the Patriot Act. Obama and his administration concocted the stimulus bill that will send us back to the stone ages and much more. '
Yes. Because nothing sets a country back more than the investment in that country's infrastructure. Building and maintaining infrastructure is always bad for an economy.Twinkie: "This blog need an enema."
Shaneastafford: "Well I'll be damn we got us one of them crazy kooks out there on da loose. I done read what dis Muzikdoctr guy said and he done said I is illiterate......shoot I aint no illiterate cuz I done got my edumacation here in Bakerspatch and I aint about to quit having my constipated, bloated views on floating piece of poopy liberals who like to give each other enimas. Since my eye balls are brown I done think that I need to drop the Obama administration off at Muzikdoctr's pool so he can mesmerize them with his enlightenment......Yeeeeehhhaawwwww!! "
Well, look at you. You're making a funny.
"Muzik done knows his history that's why he done supports this administration from Broke Back Communist Mountain so I will get back to watching my movie "The Communist Deliverance" directed by Obama himself."
Bravo! We end with a very way to inject homophobia into this fine, fine debate. At least in the end, my point is proven. I dub shaneastafford Lord of the Kooks.
In the end, I guess all I proven is that there are still kooks on either side of the argument. But where would this country be without our kooks?