Shaneastafford: "I know the real pandemic is liberalism (socialism) which is a disease spread across the world."
I got to hand it to you right-wingers, you have been well trained the to pull out the big bad S-word whenever an issue comes up. It hearkens back to the good old days of McCarthyism, when no one would dare utter the S-word or the C-word. Not like today when all our rights are apparently being trampled on.
"Socialism = tyranny and oppression and if you look at all the socialist countries like England, Russia, Indonesia, China and India the only reason why their economy has picked up in the last decade is solely due to the capitalistic Americans."
Of course, America always should get the credit when something goes right in the world. Interesting countries you've labeled with the S-word. China's a given. Russia I'll understand. England and Indonesia? Well, I suppose if we're apparently already on the path to S-word-ism, those two countries are oozing with it. But India? They're almost more capitalistic than we are. I guess that's why the majority of the population lives in such great conditions.
"This new administration created their own rules and wrote their own constitution over night! What is happening now with this administration is unconstitutional and our military should cease them for treason but out generals are just as corrupt as our politicians."
Guards! Seize them! Seize the traitors! So what I'm seeing here is that our constitution is no longer valid and there is a totally new one? When did this happen? I understand. We in California are used to changing our constitution whenever the feeling strikes us to make sure that only particular people can have certain things, but I haven't seen this happen to the US constitution. Are we living in the same country?
"Guns will soon be banned by our socialist congress by taxing our guns and ammo too much or by ripping up our constitution. U.S. citizens are buying up all the guns and ammo at this point because all the smart people see what is coming in the near future. "
Yes. Whenever things go wrong, we should do what the paranoid do. There's that S-word again. Just fill me in on something. What rights are being taken away? I haven't seen it. I certainly still enjoy the same rights I've had for a long time. And Obama hasn't said a peep about guns. Where the fuck are you people getting this?
Muzicdoctor: "What's even more absurd now, is all of the responsibility lay at the current administrations door, & these self righteous individuals are now making this administration the scapegoat is if they created, instead of the greedy, capitalistic corporations that screwed this country up, with the help of the indifferent, & gullible people that allowed it to get out of control."
Yes. I do agree the president is simultaneously the idol and the scapegoat. We look to him to set things right. We give him credit when things go right, no matter how it happened. And when things go wrong, we transfer all our sins into him and push him off a cliff. Some people seem all too eager to do so even when the president has spent so little time in office.
Shaneastaford: "I think Muzikdoctr is uneducated in historical events due to his upbringing in public school and his fascination to main stream media."
So I guess we agree that America's education system is shitty and we need to do something about it.
"The public school system is controlled by the federal department of education which is controlled by burecrats."
Okay. Who do you propose to control the public school system? A private company? Sure, that way only people who benefit the most from capitalism can afford to go to school. 'Sorry, Billy. Mommy can't spend much time with you. She has to work 3 jobs so she can feed you, cloth you, and make sure you can see a doctor every once in a while. But I can't afford to send you to school. That's okay. If you're lucky enough to get a job when you grow up despite your illiteracy and lack of education, at least you'll find comfort that you'll get to keep your entire minimum wage salary."
Alright so Muzikdoctr and Robshock are true socialist supporters and I understand that now. I would like to know from both of you what socialism means and what socialism would do for the United States of America?
OMG you said the S-word! All I know is for some reason right-wingers seem to want to make the government and the people two separate entities, even though we're meant to be one and the same (by the people, for the people). We're all in this together, and I believe our gov should be charged to solve the problems in our society that effect us all.
Shaneastafford: "I do not support [Obama] because he lied through his teeth and he is telling corporations like GM what to do and how to run their business. "It's called a stipulation. They want our money, this is what they got to do to get it. You want us to give them our money with no stipulation?
"The government has no say in making decisions for the businesses of America. I don't care even if corporations allow themselves to be bought out with tax payer dollars this kind of stuff is unconstitutional."
Show me where it's unconstitutional. But I will say that the auto industry bailout is one thing I disagree with. I know GM is a big corporation, but it's not big like AIG where our entire economy depends on it. So I think Obama should just let that one be.
"Now our government owns GM. "
It just gets weirder and weirder.
"This administration is so corrupt that they will not disclose where all the stimulus money is going and why would I want to spend my taxes on left wing extremist groups like ACORN. "
Where the hell do you get this stuff?
"The only transparency we have in America is the conservative media and this is why I cling on to this media."
Ah, I see now.
Acosper: "Let's settle this debate. I am an actual socialist, though I prefer to think of myself as a Marxist (socialism is such a wishy-washy term). As a godless commie, I can tell you that Obama is not one of us. I wish that he were a secret Marxist. I really do. Unfortunately, Obama is way too supportive of capitalist powers."
AnnieLWhite: "Rob Shock, I think when you talk about Limbaugh and Riley, you are talking to a specific "right wing" group. more of the religious right wingers. cause not all right wingers believe in the war & god, i think you are referring to Neo-Cons. not real Conservatives. if you are trying to ofend me, youre gonna have to dig deeper. cause thats not me. "
Annie, that's sweet. You thought I did this all for you. Well, maybe a personal love letter is in the works, but not this time. Oh, and this has nothing to do with religion.
HairyBikini: [Love your screen name!"Capitalism is not the problem, extreme intervention is. If Capitalism was allowed to be truly free, it would have a higher success rate, but because of Government they will never allow anybody to fail, but instead they will be there to pick up all the failures, and this is whats leading to the failure of Capitalism, not the idea.Capitalism needs less government intervention to succeed. "
You see, the problem is every time capitalism is allowed to have free reign, something gets fucked up, like a depression, and another depression, and this last recession. Government doesn't have regulation because they think it's the fun thing to do. It happens when something really bad happens and someone has to step in and make sure it doesn't happen again. Like this last thing. We let certain companies get so big that our entire economy depended on their successes, and when they started doing things they shouldn't have been allowed to do and nearly collapsed on themselves, almost taking the entire economy with them, we had no choice but to bail them out. It was, at best, the least expensive option we had.
"...Dubai ..."
Yes, I would love that the US were a country where the monarchy controlled most of the wealth, the rest went to foreign companies, and very little went to the citizens.
Muzikdoctr: "Hey Rob, I'm glad you bring up valid points. We need to hear different views to see what has merit under the scrutiny of others views. Even though I know, eventually we'll disagree about something, I'm glad you bring valid opinions to the table, & we should be able to discuss things in a constructive way."
Thanks. Maybe someday I can discuss as constructively as you do.
Acosper: "Be careful RobShock, saying that "We need to spend, but spend wisely on things that will actually make this place work for the benefit of our people, not for the benefit of rich corporations and special interests." Sounds like something a socialist would say. You are officially in danger of becoming an accidental marxist."
Touche.
Shaneastafford: "There is enough evidence that our new administration is liberal, socialist trash who do not care about our constitution and our civil rights. Sure this administration did not rip up our constitution right in front of us but they are tearing it apart, piece by piece. The past 3 administrations have done much harm to our civil liberties and the Patriot Act was a big one. "Now, now. You're not going to get on my good side just because you criticize the policies of the Bush administration.
"Obama said during the primaries that he would shred up the Patriot Act and when he was elected he repealed it instead. "
Wait a minute. You're taking issue with the fact that he didn't literally rip up the Patriot Act?"Obama is by far the biggest liar/con artist in the history of U.S. politics but all that doesn't count because he is a socialist, Muslim who wants change in America.
You know. I would pay good money to actually see a socialist Muslim. I didn't know that could even happen.
"The Bush administration did enough damage to us in starting a never ending war and creating the Patriot Act. Obama and his administration concocted the stimulus bill that will send us back to the stone ages and much more. '
Yes. Because nothing sets a country back more than the investment in that country's infrastructure. Building and maintaining infrastructure is always bad for an economy.
Twinkie: "This blog need an enema."What kind?
Shaneastafford: "Well I'll be damn we got us one of them crazy kooks out there on da loose. I done read what dis Muzikdoctr guy said and he done said I is illiterate......shoot I aint no illiterate cuz I done got my edumacation here in Bakerspatch and I aint about to quit having my constipated, bloated views on floating piece of poopy liberals who like to give each other enimas. Since my eye balls are brown I done think that I need to drop the Obama administration off at Muzikdoctr's pool so he can mesmerize them with his enlightenment......Yeeeeehhhaawwwww!! "
Well, look at you. You're making a funny.
"Muzik done knows his history that's why he done supports this administration from Broke Back Communist Mountain so I will get back to watching my movie "The Communist Deliverance" directed by Obama himself."
Bravo! We end with a very way to inject homophobia into this fine, fine debate. At least in the end, my point is proven. I dub shaneastafford Lord of the Kooks.
In the end, I guess all I proven is that there are still kooks on either side of the argument. But where would this country be without our kooks?
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Yeah, but honestly it's probably laced. Nice to know you're still who you are, I'm sure the republic is thrilled to know that you are not disturbing the balance.
Rush would be extra quilted ha ha
That's right, Heath. I'm still brainwashed by that biased liberal media, no matter how much I listen to that oh so unbiased conservative talk radio. Sorry, I'm all out of the Pelosi paper. Would you like some ultra-right Limbaugh napkins? It's extra quilted.
Apparently Rob is still a liberal!!!
I'm out of toilet paper Bobby... can I please have my Pelosi poster back before I start to rash?
Stick up for my friends? what are you talking about? are you talking about Shane? Are you saying I'm not sticking up for him or are sticking up for him, i cant tell if you are being sarcastic......
Shane is one of my best friends, actually him AND his wife are me and mikes best friends.... they are SUCH great friends you would have no idea. We all have the same goals, morals, and ideal of what friendship and life means. We all stick up for one another always.. maybe you don't have such good friends as we are, and that sucks.... Maybe your friends wouldn't stick up for you .......... You saying that is totally ridiculous because you do not know us and what everyone has been thru.. Its fine... I don't think you would.. but go one and live your empty life.
i actually haven't replied to this blog until now cause i have been working
Hey shane Your daughter just said "jacob is driving me crazy cause hes a baby and babys are crazy, hes driving mikey nuts, Im gonna go watch TV now" hahahahahaha
We are all kooks ha ha ha. What a crazy world ha ha ha. That Ben Franklin was a kook ha ha ha.
what the heck is wrong with the Bald Eagle ha ha ha does he have to lear how to fish before we respect him? ha ha ha . and thia blog "response the the Kooks statements"is very long winded sheeesh . I thought all along that Rob Shock was the Kook ha ha ha good night America. I am off to bed
You guys are all so cute. Do you need some time alone ..?
Acosper... Can i ask,
What kind of government do you want? How do you want things to be?
Eternal Fascism:
Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt
By Umberto Eco
Writing in New York Review of Books, 22 June 1995, pp.12-15. Excerpted in Utne Reader, November-December 1995, pp. 57-59.
The following version follows the text and formatting of the Utne Reader article, and in addition, makes the first sentence of each numbered point a statement in bold type. Italics are in the original.
For the full article, consult the New York Review of Books, purchase the full article online; or purchase Eco's new collection of essays: Five Moral Pieces.
In spite of some fuzziness regarding the difference between various historical forms of fascism, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I would like to call Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it.
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1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.
Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of the faiths indulgently accepted by the Roman pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages -- in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little-known religions of Asia.
This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, "the combination of different forms of belief or practice;" such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and although they seem to say different or incompatible things, they all are nevertheless alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.
As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.
If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.
2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism.
Both Fascists and Nazis worshipped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon blood and earth (Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life. The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.
3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake.
Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.
4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.
In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.
5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity.
Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.
6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.
That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.
7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.
This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.
8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.
When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.
9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.
Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such "final solutions" implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.
10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.
Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people in the world, the members or the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler.
11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero.
In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Spanish Falangists was Viva la Muerte ("Long Live Death!"). In nonfascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.
12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.
This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.
13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.
In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view -- one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.
Because of its qualitative populism, Ur-Fascism must be against "rotten" parliamentary governments. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in Nineteen Eighty-Four, as the official language of what he called Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.
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Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances — every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task.
Umberto Eco (c) 1995
muzik, it was just a little rub on you, that's all. I couldn't let shane get all the glory.
Rob I found an article an article that ties into my comment number 7. about the ACORN stimulous money. This article mentions the Obama administrations plans to give ACORN billions of dollars. http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_bailout_bill/2009/01/27/175729.html
As for you Acosper I must say thank you for making that little summary of the comments I made because I am going to print that out and send it to the White House....lol You still have not proved me wrong on any of those points. I like that comment you said that "someone should take away this man's guns"
Your definetly a commie!!
Angry....ha........The only people I am angry at are the cowards who attacked me about 2 months ago and put me in the hospital for no damn reason and I am just as angry at the crooked politicians in power who will send the whole country to the hospital figuratively speaking. Acosper is small beans and he only makes my points stronger so he doesn't make me angry one bit. I enjoy sharing my views with others and I enjoy learning from other people's views. I may seem extremly stubborn in my views thats because I stand my ground. I am an open minded individual and when I stand corrected I will not hesitate to reformatt my dialog.
Wow I don't feel so bad about being out of work and having a lot of free time, other people do too ! You guys are in fierce battle.
You both have came up with lot s of good and somewhat productive things. Talking about the WTC I had heard a lot of different scenarios as to who did it and why. The best i heard was of course the government. But as We recall the blind sheik had tried once before and failed . I recently heard there was thermite charges in the infrastructure that brought it down. Not just plans. I also heard that on the same day Cheney was having the military do a train maneuver that was somewhat like what actually was happening on that day,. Sorta of a situation like "oh don't worry it's a training exercise" but I'm not for sure it's been sometime since I've heard those stories.
Hey staff, do you have to be so hard nosed? You come off pretty angry, don't let anyone make you that angry, it makes it look like he's getting to you. And don't let anyone get to you. It's words. chill. regroup and breath. It's all OK
Acosper don't make the poor guy so mad!
Tombstone was a good movie ;)
I bet the guys who knocked your ass out were probably liberal/socialist/marxist/commie/muslim/gay/arab/african/jews in disguise.
Sure Shane, I'm the one who is over-reaching. I guess I'm supposed to give you the benefit of the doubt when you say things like, "The Bush administration set us up for what is to come. I think there was way to much shady crap going on with that administration. I think this war in Iraq is BS and 911 was an inside job. The owner of the WTC got billions of insurance dollars from the crash and there is no way possible that a 747 could send those towers to the ground. If you watch the video of the crash you can see the quips from the explosive devices strategically placed on the structural platforms of the building." or "Well you are actually paying good money to see a socialist Muslim run our country by paying ridiculously high taxes." or "What is happening now with this administration is unconstitutional and our military should cease them for treason but out generals are just as corrupt as our politicians.[...] Guns will soon be banned by our socialist congress by taxing our guns and ammo too much or by ripping up our constitution. U.S. citizens are buying up all the guns and ammo at this point because all the smart people see what is coming in the near future. I want to see America back on its feet and to stop living on its knees. We need to tear down this socialist regime here in the U.S. and slam our foot down!" or "Obama is by far the biggest liar/con artist in the history of U.S. politics but all that doesn't count because he is a socialist, Muslim who wants change in America." or "The strongest enemies are now domestic and we must win this war against their tyranny and oppression before we all become mindless sheep." or " Obama who is a half black and half white, Muslim who was probably born in Kenya lead to our best choice for last election." or "Hey Annie you better leave Billy bad ass alone because he looks like he's ready to get Al Qaeda on us. He seems like the type who would swallow a brick of C-4 and stick a blasting cap up his anus just so he blow up a plane full of school children. I think he needs to take that rag off of his head to stop the bleeding in his mangina too. It's all good though Muzik we know you're a closet liberal, socialist since you can't answer our questions and instead you continue this circum locution (circle talk). I would be pissed off too if was born out of a camel's ass then forced to come to the greatest country in the world.........The U.S. of A." or "I figure America was set up for failure since the civil war, when propaganda spread by the Lincoln Administration took over the minds of people in the North when the actual agenda was to unite all the states to fall under a federal governance. What we were taught in public school was the civil war happened for a good cause to end slavery and the people in the south were just a bunch of racist hillbillies. I believe that if the south was comprised of just a bunch of racist hillbillies then they wouldn't find someone smart enough to assassinate Lincoln."
Yeah, I guess it must be my fault for constantly trying to find flaws in your arguments and make you look like some sort of American Nazi when you're really all flowers and sunshine.
Seriously though, someone take this man's guns away. He is way to flaky too qualify, under any stratch of the imagination, as sane enough to be a member of a well regulated militia.
well as long as you don't end up like yourself then you'll be better off.
This is starting to feel a lot like the Movie "Talk Radio." But, as much as I liked Alan Berg, I don't want to end up like him. Creepy!
Wow you are a whack job Acosper.....lol how do you get your assumption that I think 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and that would lead to an election of a negro socialist? That is some funny stuff man. I guess this is what this whole arguement narrows down to is that we are constantly trying to find the flawes in eachothers' views and we will do what ever it takes to make someone illogical in their beliefs. Even if we have to go way out in left field to make illogical statements about someones comment. Which I beleive that only accounts for Acospers statements so far. Thats fine Acosper keep on truckin, Since your at the bottom you have no where to go but up. So far your in the negative so you best start changing your thought process.
Was that good enough for you Acosper? Oh I'll guarntee you'll will never see a cent from the Jewish blood money
It all makes so much sense now. When Shane said "Karl Marx came from good stalk since his father was a Rabbi and all that happy stuff," he was trying to hint at the fact that Marxism is a Jewish plot that has used the deception of 9-11 to bring a Negro Socialist into power.
Oh, Annie, way to stick up for your friends. You might want to choose them more wisely though.
PS Tombstone was a decent movie." I'll be your HuckleBerry" That was a truly great line.
Hey Shane, I totally believe you when you said that, "The owner of the WTC got billions of insurance dollars from the crash and there is no way possible that a 747 could send those towers to the ground." You know why I believe you? Because you're not the only one to say it. Check out this article on www.jewwatch.com.
"Lucky Larry" Silverstein
You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.
Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.
There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
More on that cozy little relationship later..."
Hey Shane, you fucking fascist, I happen to be ethnically Jewish as well. Sadly, I'm still waiting on my cut of the 9-11 blood money. I don't know about the rest of you, but I wish the military would do a little better job rooting out mentally unstable, closeted Nazis like Shane before training them to kill.
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It's cool, Rob, I can be constructive until smart ass, or disrespectful replies start. So I'm human, & I respond in kind. Just Delete the whole blog if it bothers you that much. So much for the rules......
Honest Rob, I'm sorry for this crap but, I won't take peoples crap. But I'm capable of discussing without attacks as long as it's mutual. Just delete the blog, & if it goes south, then delete it immediately.
Best Wishes Always,
The Musical Nerd --- AKA --- MUZIKDOCTR
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But, really, how many blogs include criticism of the moral character of eagles? Surely, in any catologue of kookiness, that must deserve some mention.
As much as anyone can deserve credit for a blog they have hijacked, I believe that I deserve credit for some of the vicious twists and turns. Not only was I the one playing 'call out the homophobe,' but I also brought up the striking intolerance of some of our military personnel towards the very people whom they are supposed to be liberating. I honestly thought that one might have stolen even more of your well-deserved venom
I apologize. It's true that I intentionally waved the red flag to steal some of your charging bulls.